More Unusual Than Cruel: Getting In (Law School, Part 2)

Note: This post is part of our League Symposium on Higher Education in the 21st Century. You can read the introductory post for the Symposium here. To see a list of all posts in the Symposium so far, click here. This is the second of five posts I offer about law school.

My previous post likely failed to talk you out of your ambition to go to law school. Undeterred by my warning, you shall press on. To gain admission to law school in the United States, in almost every case you will need an undergraduate degree from a credible four-year university backed by grades demonstrating at least the potential for academic excellence.

The big question, of course, is how good a law school you can get into in the first place. Sorry to put the pressure on you so early, but the quality of law school you attend is the single most important thing about your career because so much spins off from it. And while a great deal of what will happen is functionally out of your control, there are things you can do as an undergraduate to affect your trajectory.

First of all, be aware that law schools fall into tiers of prestige. The U.S. News and World Report rankings are subject to very incisive criticism, mine being that they purport to offer a higher degree of precision in ranking the schools than is real, but they do a reasonably good job of giving a sense of the tiers.

If you look back over history, you’ll notice that Harvard, Yale, and Stanford have been the top three forever. There’s a reason for that, and the reason is “prestige.” Sorry, Michigan, Chicago, Columbia, and so on, the top three are the top three. Positions #4 – #30 (or so) shuffle around a bit from year to year. But it’s the same schools jockeying for position with one another and only rarely does one rise or fall out of that tier.

In part 4 of this series, I’ll demonstrate just how important this is. For now, suffice to say that if you want all the cool stuff you hear about that attracted you to law in the first place — the potential for political or business leadership positions, the high salaries at prestigious firms, the chance to Really Change Things For The Better, you need to get into as high-prestige a school as you can.

The odds of which are, for the most part, determined by a very simple exercise in arithmetic. Here’s the math: take your college GPA. Multiply it by your LSAT. Boom. That’s your number. From there, well, they grade on a curve in law school. Admissions officers will tell you there’s more to it than this. Admissions officers sometimes lie, in this case by misdirection. Nothing is so important as this number.

Now, to get into a good law school, you don’t need a 4.0. By “good” I mean ABA-accredited, reasonably likely to get you a full-time job as a lawyer, and one which will teach you enough law that you won’t make a complete fool out of yourself when you go to court the first few times. For this, you do need something better than 3.0, and the closer to the 4.0 you can get, the better. If your undergraduate grades are lower than that, then a first- or second-tier law school may be unrealistic and you may want to have a long think with a guidance counselor about proceeding further down this path.

If only Yale, Stanford, or Harvard are acceptable to you, then I take it back: yes, you do need a 4.0 and a perfect score on the LSAT and even that may not be enough on its own.

Second, what should you major in? There might be some undergraduate colleges out there that still offer “pre-law” degrees but it’s become unusual. I’m told that law schools don’t look with all that much greater favor on any particular undergraduate course of study. Here, I think I believe the admissions officers because the evidence supports this claim. For instance, my law school class had a very diverse set of majors; most were from the humanities but relatively few were political science or government or other obvious “pre-law” majors. The plurality major was English, not political science as I had expected. There were more than a handful of STEM majors, many of whom focused on intellectual property in school and early practice, and some of whom can now buy and sell tens of me as a result.

Law Schools admissions people are looking for perseverance to complete the major, academic rigor within the program, and writing requirements. Consequently, my advice for the prospective law student is to select a major based on:

  1. How much you enjoy studying it, and thus the degree to which you will generate high grades from studying it,
  2. How much it relates to what you think you want to do professionally,
  3. How much writing is involved (more writing being better), and
  4. The diversity and quality of romantic and/or sexual opportunities available to you within the major.

Why that last one? Because this is college we’re talking about. Frankly, I’m not necessarily talking about marriage. After all, if my law school class’ experience is any compass, if you’re married before law school or get married in law school, you have about a three out of four chance of being divorced from that person within five years of graduation. So if you’re looking at law school, it may be best to defer marriage.

No, I say pick your college major based on the fact that classmates are your likeliest source of dates in college. You probably won’t be dating as much in law school. You certainly won’t have the time or mental stamina for falling in love. Which means fewer social opportunities, and therefore probably less romance and less sex. (There is, however, ample consumption of alcohol and tobacco.) So get as much dating in as an undergraduate.

Third, of course, you must take the LSAT, which is the other major component for admissions. Law school admissions officers will tell you that they consider grades, LSATs, and personal background on a roughly equal basis. They lie. Between your grades and your LSATs, your path is laid out for you. Those determine the tier of law schools that will do more than politely reject your applications.

Register well in advance for the LSAT with its administering entity, the Law School Admissions Council. You will need to give fingerprints, ostensibly to verify your identity. Typically, the test is given four times a year, although not on a strict quarterly schedule. The test in the cycle that you want to take if you’re going straight from college to law school is given in October, and you must register for the test by early September. Make it a point to sign up for the test with LSAC before Labor Day. Then take one fewer class at college than you ordinarily would have, so that you can free up some time to take as many practice LSAT’s as you can stand so as to prepare.

While there is some controversy over what exactly the test truly measures other than your ability to come up with $160 and some sharpened #2 pencils, the modern permutation of the test consists of five components, one of which is not used (and they’re not going to tell you which one it is because that would ruin everything). The ostensible subject matters upon which you will be tested will be logical reasoning, reading comprehension, and “analytical reasoning,” which is the much-feared “logic games” section of the test.

Here’s an example of a logic game:

Facts For Questions 1-7: A troop of seven howler monkeys sits in a row. Some are male, some are female. Each monkey is doing something: eating a banana, masturbating, or screeching loudly at an intolerably high pitch. More males than females are in this troop. Only male monkeys are masturbating. No female monkey is screeching.

Question 4: If two and only two female monkeys are doing the same thing, which of the following must be true?
(A) One of the seven monkeys is screeching.
(B) Two of the seven monkeys are masturbating.
(C) Three of the seven monkeys are female.
(D) Four of the seven monkeys are eating bananas.
(E) Five of the seven monkeys are male.

It is on the basis of correctly answering questions like this that your future livelihood depends. Remember, the test is timed.

You also will be asked to produce a writing sample as part of the LSAT. The writing sample requires that you make and justify a forced-choice selection between two roughly equal alternatives in a short essay spontaneously composed during the test.

At a party, you are required to give a toast that will conclude with you drinking a glass of a beverage. The only beverage choices available are mineral water to which has been added a small amount of pasteurized urine harvested from a gravid alpaca, or a Coors Light. Both are served at the same temperature and both will have the same health effects upon you after consumption. You must drink after giving the toast. Explain in an essay of approximately 500 words which of these two beverages you will select, and why.

The result of all of this is a score that will vary from 120 to 180, 180 being the best. When I took it, there were only three sections (reading comprehension, inductive reasoning, and logic games) and the scoring regime was different. Wikipedia offers an interesting data set of how typical scores correlate with college majors, giving some non-intuitive results. There are classes available to prepare for this test. Having taken one, I think I would have been better-served just buying a book and practicing the old tests in it. This despite the fact that my LSAT instructor was a postdoctorate instructor from my undergraduate university and he and I cemented what has become a lifelong friendship in that class.

Fourth, you will need to gather and submit recommendations, typically from employers and professors with whom you have cultivated good relationships during your soon-to-be-former life. They must attest to your good moral character, keen intelligence, and eager personality. You, um, have cultivated relationships with some of your professors during your undergraduate education, haven’t you? If so, those professors will generally be happy to write letters of recommendation in exchange for aught but a thank-you note and your tolerance while they dispense life and career advice and explain why you would be better off in academia rather than the legal profession, advice which they know full well you are all but certain to ignore. If not, now is the time to start cultivating.

You will be submitting applications from November to February of your last year in college, so you need to start asking about recommendations earlier than that.

Finally, you will be asked to give a writing sample as part of your law school application. This will be an essay of the specified length (usually about 1,000 words) on a topic of your choice. You will be evaluated on your technical use of the English language, your ability to communicate your idea in writing, and the ability of that writing to convey your personality.

Unlike the LSAT essay, you have time to write this on your own, so it needs to be dead solid perfect. Have friends and professors help you edit it. Again, this will be part of your admissions process, so you need to have it ready to go along with the rest of your admissions packet. Start writing it not long after completing the LSAT and don’t be shy about asking for help with editing and proofreading.

Of course, you’re going to write one and use it over and over again for each application. This is pattern of self-plagiarism will become familiar to you over the course of your career.

As I’ve noted before, whether the school will even consider you at all is determined through a mathematical formula weighing your grades and your LSAT score. But if you make the cut, your writing sample may influence where on the list of potential admitees your application will fall. The writing sample is also the place where you will explain why your extracurricular activities or work experience round you out as a person and make you a good choice for law school: if you can extract some sort of academic value out of the fact that the only thing you did in college outside of class was drink a lot of beer at ski club “meetings,” go for it.

When I applied to law school it was not customary to attach a photograph of yourself to your application. I was kind of shocked to learn that was customary for medical school. I don’t know what the custom is these days.

Having assembled these five key ingredients, and more money for application fees, you now may begin soliciting applications and filling out the forms. About half of the ABA-accredited law schools out there have agreed on a common form of application, which does streamline things quite a bit compared to when I was trying to get in to law school. However, each school also has its own “supplements” which makes each application just different enough from the others that you’re really doing a custom job for each school.

By all means, aim for the top. I applied to Harvard, Stanford, and Yale too. Didn’t get in, didn’t really expect to — but if I hadn’t applied, then I’d have been kicking myself for not applying for the rest of my life. But don’t aim only at the top. A strategic pick of law schools to apply to includes some “shoot the moon” schools in the top tier, some “realistic” options in the middle tier, and some “backup” options that you’re positive you can get in to.

Prepare your applications, pay the several hundred dollars in fees, and then you wait by the mailbox. Just like applying to college, you’re hoping for thick envelopes back with the admissions package, not thin rejection letters. Don’t worry, you’ll get in somewhere. Oh, and you need to actually finish your undergraduate degree, but hopefully that was already in the cards for you anyway. At this point, you will have a few options available to you in the spring of your last year of college — pick the most prestigious school that has made you an offer.

Next up, we’ll talk about what you’ll actually be doing in law school.
 
Burt LikkoBurt Likko is the pseudonym of an attorney in Southern California. His interests include Constitutional law with a special interest in law relating to the concept of separation of church and state, cooking, good wine, and bad science fiction movies. Follow his sporadic Tweets at @burtlikko, and his Flipboard at Burt Likko.

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55 thoughts on “More Unusual Than Cruel: Getting In (Law School, Part 2)

  1. OMG–what a brilliant parody of the typical logical games question (that was a parody, wasn’t it?) and the essay question cracked me up. Logical games were my Achilles Heel so, of course, when I took the LSAT, I got an extra experimental section of logical games.

    The rest of your piece rings true. I think my stepson did the math with grades + LSAT score, decided the math didn’t work in favor of his getting into an elite school, changed his major from history back to economics, and decided to pursue accounting. That and he hates to write. If someone hates to write, law is not an ideal career choice.

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      • I always did well with logic games. It was I think the reasoning section that got me the first time.

        Also the essay portion is relatively speaking, worthless. From what I understand most schools use your personal statement as a proxy for a writing section rather than actually checking the contents of your LSAT essay.

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  2. “At a party, you are required to give a toast that will conclude with you drinking a glass of a beverage. The only beverage choices available are mineral water to which has been added a small amount of pasteurized urine harvested from a gravid alpaca, or a Coors Light. Both are served at the same temperature and both will have the same health effects upon you after consumption. You must drink after giving the toast. Explain in an essay of approximately 500 words which of these two beverages you will select, and why.”

    Trick question.

    Both beverages are the same!

    Stanford Law here I come!

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  3. I suppose this is more for Part IV but the debates I hear now are that people should not go to law school unless they get into a Top 5, Top 10, Top 15, and maybe Top 50 law school for the generous.

    My law school was good. I loved my law school, classmates, and professors. We have been around for a long-time. In a more sane universe, we would just be a well-respected regional law school in Northern California. Maybe we would be well-respected in the entire state or Pacific Northwest Region.

    We were Tier II for my entire time at the school but recently took a serious knock.

    I did not apply to any Top 10 schools. My one reach was Cardozo at number 40 something.

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    • The impression I’ve always gotten – and continue to get – is that there still is very much a place for the regional law school as long as you’re willing to forgo some of the biggest national law firms and recognize that going to a regional law school means that you’re likely to wind up having to get a job in that region when you’ve graduated. A Temple law degree may not carry much weight in Chicago or even New York, but to my knowledge it still carries plenty of weight in and around Philadelphia.

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      • I know someone who is a partner in an NYC firm with a Temple degree but NY is such a large market that there are going to be a lot of exceptions.

        I never wanted to do biglaw or work at the national defense firms for a variety of reason.

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      • I went to a Tier II Law School in Chicago and went on to get legal jobs in Los Angeles. Still, my degree would have carried more weight had we remained in Chicago. If you want to practice big firm law, your best bet is an elite school, but being at the top of your class at a Tier II school can still get you there. It’s just somewhat more challenging in today’s climate.

        I actually enjoyed law school but, by then, I didn’t have to worry about dating.

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    • First, my hat’s off to the author on the hypo’s, well done sir.

      As a current law student, there is way to much advice given as hard and fast rules rather than as factors to consider on an individual basis. Why you want to go, what you want to do, where you want to work, price of your tuition, and where you get in are all relevant factors that people should consider, giving greater weight to one or the other based on the individual situation.

      Burt’s first post is probably the most important. Too many of my classmates either didn’t think about what being a lawyer would entail, or thought they would get jobs doing international human rights law or something.

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      • I appreciate that individual situations may vary. Understanding the rule rather than the exception is important, though, and most people aren’t as special and unique as they flatter themselves that they are.

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        • But I am a unique snowflake :)

          I was responding to ND’s list of rules, ie. only T14, only top 20 or 30 etc., which I have heard numerous times, and which I find to be bad advice. So while, “if you get into a top 3 or T14 school, you should go,” is good general advice, every prospective student really needs weigh those factors to truly make an informed decision.

          I take it is sort of a continuation of your first post. Students need to think carefully about what they want to do, how they can do it, and whether the options they have allow them to answer the two previous questions in the affirmative.

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  4. What’s your thoughts on debt vs. prestige? With my LSAT, grades, and personal history, I think I’m looking at either a T-15 school (I’ve got deferred admission to UT) with a significant amount of debt, or a T-100 school (Saint Louis University, Seattle University, etc.) on a full or near full ride. Which course would you suggest?

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      • In your shoes, if I wanted to practice law, I’d go to UT (I assume you mean Texas, not Tennessee, although if you intend to live in Tennessee permanently then it would probably be best to get your J.D. in Knoxville).

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        • I disagree, or at least I don’t necessarily agree. In general it is always better to go to a better school (whether you get called snobby or not, facts are facts). But if your choice is between a higher-ranked school (besides Yale) with $200k in debt at the end of the line, vs. a solid regional school in the region where you want to live and a full ride, I would take the latter. That much debt really does take an enormous toll on you.

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          • Double and triple check on the ‘full ride’. One of the nasty things mentioned in the scamblogs is that they are dependent on class standing (unsurprising), but also that schools will do things like put the scholarship students in the same section, so that forced rank grading in each section makes it almost impossible for all but a small proportion to keep their scholarship after the first year.

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          • I’ve practiced law in Tennessee. If what you want to do is attract clients, a credible case can be made that a degree from University of Tennessee is more valuable than a degree from Harvard. It marks you as part of the “in crowd.”

            Of course, there’s still Biglaw to do in Tennessee and law school prestige still matters in that stratum of the universe.

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  5. Half Sigma’s written quite a bit about law school, and his view is that there are only 14 that matter at all. In descending order of prestige they are Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, Chicago, University of Pennsylvania, University of Michigan, University of Virginia, Duke, Northwestern, Cornell, UC Berkeley, and Georgetown. He points out that the gap between no. 14 Georgetown and whatever school is in 15th place is far greater than the Yale-Georgetown gap.

    He said that the one exception to the Top 14-or-bust rule is that going to the law school at a state’s flagship university *may* be an acceptable option if you are certain that you want to work in that state and are willing to give up the chance of ever working anywhere else.

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    • This is the kind of ‘rule’ that drives me up a wall.

      How about if a student has to pay full tuition at Berkeley v. free (or almost free) ride at UC Hastings? How about full freight at Gtown or Cornell v. heavily discounted Mid Tier I or good Tier II in the area you want to practice? And this isn’t even getting into the personal situation and goals for your legal career that could sway you one way or the other.

      This is the kind of thinking that led one of my former classmates to transfer to Gtown, paying full tuition, rather than finish her free ride at my state flagship school. And she wanted to come back to the SAME CITY after graduation. She is now going to be taking out over 100k for only slightly better career prospects.

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      • “How about if a student has to pay full tuition at Berkeley v. free (or almost free) ride at UC Hastings? ”

        What are the job outcomes at UC Hastings? What percentage got full-time permanent bar passage-required jobs? What was the salary range for that group?

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        • There is something to be said for graduating with less debt at the price of less prestige. In order to get to a place where that sort of bargain makes sense, you need to know in advance that you’re going to eschew the possibility of Biglaw and instead do what NewDealer calls “real person law” in a comment below and concurrently accept the lower compensation and often greater levels of administrative headache which are inherent in that sort of career. I’m aiming my talk at undergraduates or others similarly-situated, to take the stars out of their eyes and let them see reality — which I say again, is not a bad picture, just not one nearly as pretty as they might have hoped for.

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    • I am going to disagree with this as well.

      T14 matters for what? For any legal placing or just placing at a big corporate law firm?

      I graduated law school from a Tier II school in 2011. This was one of the worst years for the crisis. Many of my classmates did have trouble finding jobs and many are not working in legal jobs but many others are. We are not working at big firms though. Many of my friends are working as Public Defenders, District Attorneys, Legal Aid (these are all paid positions) or at small to medium sized firms in the Bay Area. So there are still jobs to be had for one T14 lawyers.

      Saying T14 or nothing will just mean a lot of corporate lawyers and not lawyers for the more ordinary aspects of the law: Family/Divorce, Torts/Personal Injury, Criminal Defense, Immigration, Bankruptcy, etc.

      The attitude quite frankly is snobby.

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    • I don’t know if that’s necessarily true for a lot of schools. The gap between UCLA/UTexas and Georgetown is definitely smaller than between Yale-Georgetown, especially when you’re comparing faculty quality(and having dealt with the admissions process for both tiers of the T3 vs. T14, I can vouch that there’s definitely a huge gap between the T3 and T14-15ish.)

      That said it’s really highly dependent on what field you want to study, for something esoteric like National Security Law, going to Yale isn’t going to help you nearly as much as going to a place with a specific focus and a handful of top professors in that field.

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      • “That said it’s really highly dependent on what field you want to study, for something esoteric like National Security Law, going to Yale isn’t going to help you nearly as much as going to a place with a specific focus and a handful of top professors in that field.”

        On of the things mentioned in ‘Dont’ Go to Law School, Unless…….’ is that for a lot of niche or ‘exotic’ fields, they hire pretty much from the elites schools, and train on the job. The top ranked ‘International Sports Law’ program at some misc. schools is only top ranked because the elite schools don’t *need* to have such a pseudo-program.

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        • This, of course, is true of all programs, not just law. The reason your local A&M school has a great program in, like, package engineering is because the elite schools just teach you the principles of engineering, which you can then use for package design if your employer needs that.

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        • This is true of really niche fields, but it’s not so true when we’re talking fields that do require a certain underpinning in expertise and are as much academic training as they are full time law programs. NSL is one, international law and admiralty law are a couple others. Sometimes IP law falls under this, but there’s boutique firms that can train you in that area, so it’s not as much as one.

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        • This is true for niche fields.

          However for the most part*, graduates from elite schools do not become plaintiff’s lawyers, family/divorce lawyers, bankruptcy lawyers, worker’s comp, labor, immigration lawyers, etc. Fields that LeeEsq called “real person law” in another comment. In my experience many graduates of elite law schools look down upon these fields.

          *There are exceptions of course. Elite law schools are still large enough to have a diverse interest in their student body but in my experience many want to practice corporate/transactional law and see everything else as being a bit vulgar.

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            • I love plaintiff’s law.

              The hours are often fairly sane because the work is done on a contingency basis (sometimes you need to stay late but rarely biglaw late), you are helping real people with real problems (I always wanted to work with individuals), small firm culture can be very nice.

              Plus if you do it right and make partner, a contigency fee can be very lucrative if lucre matters.

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            • Also some law schools have different specialties.

              My school attracted a lot of rah rah social justice types and encouraged it. Plus traditionally, a lot of people who went to be lawyers for the government in a variety of capacities (not just crim)

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  6. Bang on parody of the LSATs.

    I am in the process of taking an LSAT course, and am so far pretty happy with it. I am sure it varies from instructor to instructor, but my course has so far given me some decent help on how to break down the questions, especially with regards to the structure of the logical reasoning section. I took the LSATs once before, did pretty well, but I know nothing about formal logic and having someone explain how to diagram the basic conditions is really helping me. Like I said though, I can see this really varying from course to course and instructor to instructor.

    As far as dating goes, I always tell college students that hobbies are where it’s at for romance. Find a club with a social atmosphere you like (at least as, maybe more important than what the club is actually about) and you will find companionship of whatever kind you are looking for.

    I will say, it heartens me to see that your advice matches the information I got from people in the career advice office of my Alma Mater. Where you get in is the most important thing in your career and that is all about the LSAT. Honestly, they barely mention the writing portion of the application, I think under the general idea that if you need them to explain essays to you then you are not cut-out for Law School. Instead it is all about The Test.

    However, I will say that the most interesting piece of application advice I received was to have my application in as close to the beginning of the application period as possible. The reasoning that I was given for this is that even the best schools are still playing the numbers game. If you don’t have the best numbers then you need to appear as little of a burden on their stats as possible. So apply early and wow them with personal stuff, while they still have plenty of empty slots to fill with 4.0s and 180s. Not sure how much it can help, but it was definitely an angle I hadn’t heard or considered before.

    Thanks a lot for writing this, as an aspiring Law Applicant this series is a really great read, both the posts and the comments.

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  7. I’m tempted to do a corollary to all this talking about how much it sucks to be an international student applying to law school. My undergraduate grades were okay (let’s say low end of a 3x average) while my LSAT scores were basically phenomenal (not meant as a brag) but basically every school I got admitted to assumed I’d somehow be able to cover loans and the like without any institutional support. Needless to say this doesn’t happen for international students, where banks are very reluctant to hand out loans unless you have Bill Gates as a co-signer, and this became a major sticking point when I was negotiating. (FYI, it’s also why I wound up doing a master’s program first and foremost due to the paucity of funding opportunities for a 1L)

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  8. BTW, Burt isn’t quite right on “To gain admission to law school in the United States, in almost every case you will need an undergraduate degree from a credible four-year university backed by grades demonstrating at least the potential for academic excellence.”.

    There are a bunch of schools which are bottom-feeders, and more so now that applicant counts are dropping like a rock. However, looooooooooooooooong before getting down to those schools, the (real lawyer) job prospects are down well below 50%. Which is important to those with only decent grades and LSAT scores, because there are a lot of schools which will be happy to take your $150K or $250K, in return for a miserable chance at a law career.

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    • I’m not even paying attention to the these sorts of schools. Go with ABA accreditation, or go home. As I’ll show tomorrow, even the ABA schools aren’t offering a product that in today’s environment is hugely useful for obtaining employment.

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  9. Ah, UC Hastings (http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=hastings)

    46.3% of getting a full-time long-term legal job (not counting solo practitioners, which means ‘couldn’t find a job). Note that this would include jobs in a ‘firm’ with only a couple of ‘partners’, which probably means two or three new grads without a job sharing an office and getting some letterhead stationary.

    For Berkeley, that percentage is 85.9%.

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      • Those employment numbers are worse than I would have thought. For comparison to Berkekely I was just looking for a reasonably ranked school in the Bay area, assuming that one would have better than even odds of getting a job.

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        • Really, the whole message of the scamblogs is that the employment outcomes (% getting a real lawyer job and the actual salary ranges) is far worse than people think.
          People think of law school like a regular professional school (med, dental, engineering, etc.), and it’s really a cash cow horror story. One is better off thinking of law school as like those ‘technical instititutes’ advertised on bad TV.

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          • My impression with medical schools at least is that getting in “somewhere” is the goal. If you want “regular doctor” MD, avoid DO or Caribbean schools.

            Obviously, most people would prefer to attend Johns Hopkins over Big State State U, particularly if they plan on impressing patients at their clinics/private practice, but in terms of both the quality of education you will receive and the quality of students admitted, there is negligible difference between say the University of Nebraska and Yale.

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